Back in the summer of 2022, when this show was released, I was fresh off a workshop in Australia, and this conversation with Travis de Vries was inspired by what I learned there. @travishdevries, the founder of the podcast company @awesomeblackorg, drove home how similar the experiences are between First Nation peoples and those of African descent. And I discovered this all because I heard two people calling each other ‘Blackfella’ at an event held in a Sydney Hip Hop bar called Hustle and Flow. I kid you not. I quickly turned to him and asked what the term meant and WHO could say it.